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Why are so many China foreign teachers getting arrested?

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  • Sanchez
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    10 February, 2015 at 22:16
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    I saw the recent news about the five Disney teachers arrested in Chengdu about a month ago and was curious how such a big chain company would let there teachers get into such a bad situation. I wondered if it was really their fault, the teacher’s fault or the recruiter’s fault?

    http://eslwatch.info/forum/china/66-news-flash-disney-esl-teachers-busted-by-psb-visa-squad-in-chengdu.html

    About an hour ago, my buddy in Shenyang sent me this link which makes me realize these arrests may be a good thing after all since it will force the schools to hire only qualified teachers.

    http://www.realscam.com/f8/china-foreign-teachers-offered-5-000-rewards-report-fellow-expat-fakes-not-hoax-nor-scam-3795/

    I guess if you are one of the teachers using a fake diploma or wrong visa you would disagree with me, but what do the rest of you thinK?


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    Growler
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    12 February, 2015 at 4:43
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    Reply To: Why are so many China foreign teachers getting arrested?

    The short answer is because they follow the recruiter instead of following the law! Basically, most recruiters will tell you what you want to hear just to get your signature on their contract. You represent a $500 in commission to them. You are not their friend and they work for the employer and not you. You really should educate yourself about recruiter fraud at http://chinascamwatch.org

    If you need a long answer just say so and I will give you my favorite rant! Happy Chinese new year to Dan, Susan, and all you guys! May 2015 be a healthy an prosperous year for all of you!

    Hello!
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    20 February, 2015 at 10:34
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    Reply To: Why are so many China foreign teachers getting arrested?

    I agree with both of you guys but I also think this has a lot to do with the increase http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index … 244AAD4563

    You can trace this right back to the recruiters who keep bringing unqualified people over to China with lies and then abandon them here when they inevitably will have serious legal problems. They really should start arresting the recruiters and just send the teachers home or this will just become an even bigger problem than it already is.

    shang
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    22 April, 2015 at 12:30
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    Reply To: Why are so many China foreign teachers getting arrested?

    Honestly, no one has any business coming to China (or any other country) to teach English unless they hold a degree from an accredited university for teaching English as a second language. It’s only common sense.

    shang
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    25 April, 2015 at 13:16
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    Reply To: Why are so many China foreign teachers getting arrested?

    Standards need to be put in place to keep these and other foreigners from obtaining jobs that they are not qualified for. If foreigners want to teach ESL, they should have to show proof that they studied TESOL in an accredited university. All documents should be notarized (i.e. degree and transcripts) before a work visa is even issued. And it wouldn’t hurt to contact the university for additional verification. There are too many frauds out there trying to pass themselves off as teachers.

    OICU812
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    21 November, 2016 at 9:47
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    I don’t blame the teachers. I blame the dishonest ESL recruiters who tell lies about what visa you really need. When I first came to China 3 years ago, I was also told by a recruiter named Sophie Zhang that I did not need to have a Z Visa for my first 90 days of employment. Why should I not believe the person who is giving me a job?

    But only three weeks after I started my job with Holy Global Education the police came and thank god I was in the bathroom outside the office when it happened. They took away three foreign teachers and only one came back. After that happened I called tried to call and text Sophie to demand a Z visa but she blocked my calls!

    So really, I think the authorities need to focus on these recruiters and punish them severely for creating so many problems for new teachers in China.

    Laowai Lao Shi
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    22 February, 2017 at 3:09
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    I agree with OICU812. The government needs to really come down hard on all the schools and agents that deliberately promote and recruit the hiring of illegal foreign teachers. Arresting the teachers will just drive us all away from China. I was arrested a few months ago only because I trusted and believed my recruiter who did not do a damn thing to help me after I got thrown in jail. Only because I recent got married to Chinese local was I saved from deportation. My roommate was not so lucky. http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com/2017/02/almost-3000-foreign-employees-arrested.html


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    Davis
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    24 February, 2017 at 22:02
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    According to the 2016 deportation figures from the PSB, 10% of 29,719 foreign teachers now working in China were arrested and deported. The newbies need to stop listening to all those slack agents who say it is “no problem to work without a Z visa during your probationary period”. This is an outright lie. Even if you do private tutoring once or twice a week in China, you must still have a Z visa from day 1. The teacher requirements for China are strict and strictly enforced. People that gamble with their freedom to make such little money are idiots IMO.

    Anyone who is told by recruiters you can work without a Z visa should report that recruiter with all their contact info to the Chinese consulate and China Scam Patrol at tips@chinascampatrol.org.


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    Why Not?
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    5 March, 2017 at 0:36
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    The short answer is because agents and recruiters lie about the absolute necessity of Z Visas to work in China even part time – even as a private tutor.


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    Why Not?
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    6 March, 2017 at 23:54
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    I just found this link which proves my point on my last post about why all the China foreign ESL & TEFL teachers are getting arrested recently. This is from the big English Newspaper in China called the Global Times: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/962377.shtml


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    Davis
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    26 May, 2017 at 4:46
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    Despite all of these warnings and plenty more on Reddit and other TEFL & ESL job and message boards, another 329 China foreign teachers got arrested last month for using fake TEFL certificates in China. https://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/2017/05/26/329-china-foreign-teachers-arrested-for-using-fake-tefl-certificates-in-april-of-2017/ Wake up people – the fun and games of yester-year are long gone. In 2017 The Chinese PSB no longer just give warnings like they used to back in 2013 – they now send you to jail for 30 days, fine you $2,000, and then deport you with a criminal record. You also get banned from China for 5 years which is damn inconvenient if you are enrolled at a university or have a Chinese partner.


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    Charles Juedemann
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    31 March, 2019 at 16:13
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    I think there is some misunderstanding here

    If a person falsify s a document, he or she is responsible, not a recruiter. Just as in the US, if a person asks you to falsify a document, you are responsible. With that said, you do not have to have a teaching certificate to teach in China, or the US for that matter. You will have to be qualified.
    I think many people go to China to teach because they think they are English speaking and that somehow makes them superior. Not so.
    If you are a teacher and you want to teach in China, I suggest you go and teach. If you think you should be paid to just talk, don’t go. Teaching is not easy.
    If you are someone who says, “Oh, I can teach”, please do not go. Teaching your kid how to use a spoon is not teaching. Teaching a sunday school class is not teaching.
    Charles Juedemann
    Union, MIssouri

    History Refined
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    6 April, 2019 at 19:04
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    It is NOT COMMON SENSE!

    One of the great things about China is a HUGE variety of opportunities here. I only have a BA in history. Yet, in China I can teach US history to high school students. I am not allowed to do this anywhere else in the world.

    Where is the common sense?

    History Refined

    Charles Juedemann
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    7 April, 2019 at 0:37
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    There is a lot of myths here

    The first is that only a quaified or certified person can teach. There is nothing I hate worse than to hear someone say, “Oh I can teach”. Just because you taught your dog to bark does not make you a teacher. HOWEVER, there are many non certified dedicated people who are excellent teachers.
    Next, many of the schools are private and advertise to teach English. The word “English” is thrown around pretty loosely but they do not have to meet any government standards. Grammar is taught in the public schools very well, it is the spoken word that is difficult….for any language learner.
    Lastly, the US is NOT THE GREATEST. What we have a an abundance of natural rescources Other than that we are a dismal failure. Just look at the inner cities.
    Nothing to dow ith Englih, but ask yourself why your parents or grandparents (or maybe you) have to have a common prescription “filled”. In China you walk into any drug store, lay your prescription down, they reach up to a shelf, hand you the prescription, you pay and wlak out….all in about 5 minutes. Ins some stores you do not even have to have money, an id, or a credit card. You just look into a camera and it does face recognition and bills your bank account.
    The US is hindered by lawyers and politicians who want to give their family and friends a million dollar retirement. While I am on the subject, here is my favorite. I have a liberal friend who hates corporations and CEO’s. Yet he loves the pro Basket ball players and Baseball players. and the best part is, he loves Apple and the late Steve Just think, he loves people who rip him off. He likes it. Making Apple rich. He hates it when someone works and gets rich.
    Charles Juedemann
    Union MO

    History Refined
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    7 April, 2019 at 2:05
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    There is a Lot of Logical Errors

    I have met many “qualified” and “certified” teachers from the US & the UK who couldn’t teach at all.

    You are not the first to promote this commonly held myth that a certified teacher equals a talented or competent teacher.

    History Refined

    SBG
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    24 April, 2019 at 2:58
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    China too much of a hassle/problem now. Go elsewhere.

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