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  • keegroves
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    29 January, 2013 at 15:50
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    Hi,

    I am a South African dying to pack my bags and teach in Thailand. Problem is, my "organisation" just doesnt feel right; i seem to get that "gut feeling" that they might be scammers. have not paid any money to them, and dont think I will.

    Anyone out there that can vouch for a proper organisatiion that will not sk*#w me over?

    :roll:

    ICAL TEFL
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    30 January, 2013 at 10:50
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    You should never pay ANYONE a single penny to find you work. That way you won’t get scammed.

    camwill
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    30 January, 2013 at 14:58
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    You should never pay ANYONE a single penny to find you work. That way you won’t get scammed.[/quote:34y96p0q]

    Agree totally, you shouldn’t need to pay anybody for a job. If they ask you to pay, don’t go! There are plenty of legitimate organisations that won’t ask for money. Type the name of any organisation into Google and see what’s being said about them! Do your research, don’t pay anyone money to find a job and you’ll be fine!

    Shanghaier
    Participant
    1 February, 2013 at 2:17
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    Agree with the above. With the demand for English teachers at the moment, you shouldn’t need to pay to get a job. If they ask you for money, move on. Employers pay you, you dont pay them :lol:

    keegroves
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    1 February, 2013 at 15:49
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    What if I am looking for a TEFL course before im placed – they sell free accommodation so surely I will have to pay someone something?

    Does anyone know a good, trusted source/ Agent I can use?

    Thanks!

    dan
    Moderator
    13 February, 2013 at 19:50
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    If you’re buying a TEFL course, that’s different – you will of course have to pay for training. What do you mean when you say "they sell free accommodation" ?

    Dan

    ITTP
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    19 February, 2013 at 17:51
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    An easy way to find out if a company is legit is to check their tax and business registration number. Also, look at the way which they invite you to pay – having a secure card payment area demonstrates that they are a real business because being for example Visa Verified or Mastercard secure is a process which requires company verification.

    Hope it helps!

    keegroves
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    20 February, 2013 at 6:59
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    Perfect thanks so much for your help! Im packed and ready to go!! :)

    kylebritto
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    25 October, 2013 at 14:57
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    [quote]An easy way to find out if a company is legit is to check their tax and business registration number. Also, look at the way which they invite you to pay – having a secure card payment area demonstrates that they are a real business because being for example Visa Verified or Mastercard secure is a process which requires company verification.

    Hope it helps![/quote]

    Hey Neville!

    I don’t know if I necessarily agree that being Visa Verified, or Mastercard secure necessarily implies that a business is completely fair or legitimate in their dealings with customers. Just because something is technically legal, doesn’t mean that it’s "legitimate" or not a "scam."

    For example: I paid your company, ITTP TEFL Prague, $1,111 for your November 2013 course, but that course was canceled, and I wasn’t issued a refund. Of course, I had agreed to this, as your Terms and Conditions state your company reserves the right to cancel courses. But, I did ask you to make a legally binding guarantee in your email that you would not cancel the course. You made that legally binding guarantee, although you said it was being made in accordance with your terms and conditions, so who knows what that means legally?

    Anyway, when I arrived in Prague a few days before the course, I sent them an email asking for details about the course. Neville responded, asking me if I hadn’t received the email stating that the course had been transferred to January. So I feel like I was scammed by a Visa Verified business. Good example, huh?

    Feel free to contact me at kylebritto@gmail.com if you want to verify this story is true and that I’m not working with a competing language school. We can have a phone or skype conversation.

    -Kyle

    Briona
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    25 October, 2013 at 19:38
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    [quote]I paid your company, ITTP TEFL Prague, $1,111 for your November 2013 course, but that course was canceled, and I wasn’t issued a refund.

    Anyway, when I arrived in Prague a few days before the course, I sent them an email asking for details about the course. Neville responded, asking me if I hadn’t received the email stating that the course had been transferred to January. So I feel like I was scammed by a Visa Verified business. Good example, huh?[/quote]

    @ kylebritto: Ahhhh! Scam, a word that is bandied about all too often these days and usually to describe something that is anything but! Cancelling a course and transferring you to the next available one can hardly be called a scam! :roll:

    [quote]Of course, I had agreed to this, as your Terms and Conditions state your company reserves the right to cancel courses. But, I did ask you to make a legally binding guarantee in your email that you would not cancel the course. You made that legally binding guarantee, although you said it was being made in accordance with your terms and conditions, so who knows what that means legally?[/quote]

    I can’t imagine that there are any course providers who don’t include a piece about reserving the right cancel courses in their T&Cs. Course providers are businesses, and businesses are there to make money. They wouldn’t make money if they ran courses with just one or two participants. It’s simply not possible to guarantee that a course will run so there’s no point asking for a ‘legally binding guarantee’.

    I’m not sure though why you waited till you got to Prague to contact them. I know hindsight’s a wonderful thing, but next time consider contacting them BEFORE you leave your home country.

    Briona

    kylebritto
    Participant
    25 October, 2013 at 19:57
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    Yeah, maybe you’re right Briona. Or maybe we have different conceptions about how an ethical business should operate. I have a feeling most people would agree with me, but to each his/her own.

    I personally feel that ITTP TEFL Prague was unfair to me and I would recommend people avoid doing business with them.

    phil
    Participant
    26 October, 2013 at 19:23
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    To be fair though, if Kyle didn’t receive the email informing him that the course was cancelled, then there’s no reason why he wouldn’t fly to Prague. I would have thought that maybe ITTP could have made an exception in this case – their position does sound a little inflexible and harsh.

    Having said that though, they do say in their terms and conditions (see below) that you should inform them of your travel details before travelling. Did you do that Kyle?

    From their terms and conditions:

    [quote]ITTP reserves the right to automatically transfer Onsite TEFL students to the next available course date should they not contact ITTP with their travel arrival details within 2 weeks of scheduled onsite TEFL course start date.[/quote]

    So, I can see both sides…

    kylebritto
    Participant
    29 October, 2013 at 10:22
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    [quote]

    Having said that though, they do say in their terms and conditions (see below) that you should inform them of your travel details before travelling. Did you do that Kyle?

    From their terms and conditions:

    “ITTP reserves the right to automatically transfer Onsite TEFL students to the next available course date should they not contact ITTP with their travel arrival details within 2 weeks of scheduled onsite TEFL course start date.”

    So, I can see both sides…[/quote]

    It’s true that I should have read their terms and conditions, but in my opinion, a respectable business would inform its clients in the case of cancellation regardless of whether they’d met this arbitrary condition. If I’ve signed up for a course that starts on October 21st, then it can easily be inferred that my plan is to arrive in Prague prior to October 21st. If the course is cancelled or "transferred" to January, that’s information that I need to know, and that an ethical business would assume the responsibility for.

    Besides, it’s a moot point, because I’m in touch with another individual who DID email them his travel plans within 2 weeks, and also had his course transferred. If this business doesn’t follow it’s own Terms and Conditions, I think it will be difficult for them to hold their clients to them, legally speaking.

    Moonbeam
    Participant
    17 February, 2014 at 1:23
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    In Asia you cannot trust anyone except the direct employer. Agents will tell you anything you want to hear to get your $.

    TLE
    Participant
    22 February, 2014 at 16:58
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    Go with your gut instinct. It will save you in the end. There is nothing worse than being across the globe in a terrible employment situation. Your best to not leave until it feels right.

    TrevLite
    Participant
    2 March, 2014 at 10:41
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    Reply To: Legit vs Ilegit – who can you trust?????

    Yikes, I feel sorry for the user who paid $1100 for a TEFL course and then it was canceled at the last minute. A terrible experience, and at quite a cost when adding in the plane ticket, accommodations etc. I wonder if this was ever resolved?

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