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  • jnesta1
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    4 March, 2012 at 23:57
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    hello! i am planning on moving to italy within the next month or two to realize my dream of esl teaching there. i am an american citizen with dual citizenship in italy. i am an md with teaching expereience from when i was a graduate student before going to medical school.

    i have been reading that the CELTA is the best certificate for esl in Italy, but am having a hard time finding schools in Italy, especially Florence, that offer that. Most seem to offer a TEFL certfiicate of some sort. Do most esl schools recognize this? will it be harder to get jobs with the TEFL certificate? i am looking mainly in florence for a course because i plan to settle in bologna or verona, but i am open to taking my teaching course elsewhere in italy. unfortunately, i cannot find one close to home to take before my departure.

    thank you. any other advice you may have would be gratefully accepted.

    jeff

    Briona
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    8 March, 2012 at 12:23
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    Hi there,

    If you have a look at Cambridge’s website (http://cambridgeesol-centres.org/centre … g/index.do) you will see that there are only eight CELTA providers in Italy, none of which are in Florence. There is, however, one in Verona. The next full-time course runs from 25th June to 20th July. See http://www.cambridgeschool.it/ for further details.

    Hope that helps.

    Briona

    jnesta1
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    8 March, 2012 at 20:47
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    hi briona,

    thanks so much for the reply. i was a little daunted when i first looked at the cambridge site, because hte home page is all in itlalian and i didn’t see a ‘translate’ link. but i think i saw the verona course listing.

    however, my other questions is this: is a TEFL certifcate recognized equally in italy? or is celta preferred? the TEFL schools i have talked to are all saying that tefl is actually better because it is broader. celta is just for adults, apparently, and theya re saying tefl covers other things as well.

    thanks!

    jeff

    Briona
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    8 March, 2012 at 21:24
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    Hi again,

    From the Verona school’s home page, just click on "leggi tutto" below the ‘Cambridge CELTA/DELTA heading which will take you to the dates and an email address. I’d just email that person directly and ask for more information.

    There really is no answer to the question "Is a TEFL certificate recognised in Italy" as a CELTA is, in fact, a TEFL certificate; it’s just a brand name.

    When comparing TEFL courses make sure you are comparing like with like, e.g., a 120hr online TEFL course with another 120hr online TEFL course, or a 120hr face-to-face intensive course with another 120hr face-to-face intensive course. Whether a no-name TEFL certificate is recognised and accepted depends very much on the school to which you’re applying.

    Together with the Trinity CertTESOL, the CELTA is the ‘gold’ standard of initial teacher training certificates and as such is recognised and accepted worldwide. More often than not, schools will specifically ask for this qualification, in which case, Trinity CertTESOL or American SIT TESOL aside, no other certificates will be accepted, thus if you can afford to take a CELTA, do so.

    Rival course providers will always claim that their course is better than the CELTA or equivalent – remember though that their claims are not exactly unbiased. Though the name stands for "Certificate in English Language Teaching to Adults", the CELTA teaches you how to teach rather than how to specifically teach adults. Much of what you learn can be adapted to teaching younger learners and more than likely you will also have a couple of sessions on teaching YLs.

    Hope that helps.

    Briona

    jnesta1
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    8 March, 2012 at 21:37
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    thanks briona. yes, of course i was comparing apples to apples in termw on in person or online, and length of time. all teh courses i am looking at are at least 120 hours in person in italy. but if celta is teh gold standard, iw ill shoot for that one! thanks again.

    by hte way, are you teaching in italy?

    jeff

    TEFL World Wiki
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    16 March, 2012 at 11:05
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    I think you’ll find that if you are in Italy and approach the schools directly then the majority won’t make much of a fuss over which TEFL certificate you have. This is especially true if you’re going to work in a standard private school or one of the chains.

    Of course there are some higher level schools who will be looking for qualifications like CELTA and experience. And then there are the assistant lecturer posts at universities which are another ball game entirely.

    Good luck!

    alextj
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    9 June, 2012 at 18:02
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    Hi Jeff,

    I hope you’ve settled in well!

    If you’re trying to get your head around all the different types of contracts, taxes and jargon, like most of us were when we first arrived, there’s a good list of FAQs on teaching in Italy here: [url]http://www.tjtaylor.net/english/teaching-english-italy-advice.htm[/url]

    Hope they help!
    Alex

    jnesta1
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    9 June, 2012 at 18:31
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    hi alex,

    thank you so much for the response.

    as with all my plans to move to italy, this one has had some delays come up.

    several things have happened. i got a job here at home that allows me to save a little more money before making my move.

    additionally, if i didn’t mention it, i am a family practice md here in the states. i have been trying to jump through all the hoops of gettgin my us medical license recognized in italy in case i would like to practice medicine there. as you might guess, since the Italians are so great at beauracracy, this is no easy task. i have been working for 6 months on getting all the official transcripts, diplomas, and other official school and training related documents from all my schools. those all need to be properly signed and notarized by the correct people. then they have to get apostilled by the state. then they all have to be translated into italian. this is where i have hit my biggest snag. i have tried 6 different people in Milwaukee and they have all said no for various reasons. the consulate in chicago was of no help. i have found an online site, and now that i have a scanner and can email the documents (i was having to rely on regular mail) i may have some new leads. but there are about 20 other steps to go through yet, all needing to be done while here in the us. alas, it may all be for naught. from what i have read, unemployment among Italian doctors is the highest in the western world. so i can only imagine how hard it might be for an american doctor to find work there. but i feel the need to try so that i come prepared and have done all i can. if this doesn’t work, then i will do the esl thing.

    mille grazie! and buona fortuna.

    jeff


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    jullietta
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    20 June, 2012 at 13:26
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    [quote]hello! i am planning on moving to italy within the next month or two to realize my dream of esl teaching there. i am an american citizen with dual citizenship in italy. i am an md with teaching expereience from when i was a graduate student before going to medical school.

    i have been reading that the CELTA is the best certificate for esl in Italy, but am having a hard time finding schools in Italy, especially Florence, that offer that. Most seem to offer a TEFL certfiicate of some sort. Do most esl schools recognize this? will it be harder to get jobs with the TEFL certificate? i am looking mainly in florence for a course because i plan to settle in bologna or verona, but i am open to taking my teaching course elsewhere in italy. unfortunately, i cannot find one close to home to take before my departure.

    thank you. any other advice you may have would be gratefully accepted.

    jeff[/quote]
    Dear Jeff, relieved to see you found a job in the states.

    please reconsider.

    1. the chances of you having your medical degree accepted here in Italy are zero. i have many US friends here, most have left by now, who are dentists, doctors, vets, none of them managed to do this. you basically would have to get fluent in italian and then redo half your degree at an italian university, if you can get in, im sure that degree cost you a lot.

    dont also waste your money on a celta course, because the school who gives you teaching hours here, have no regard for its value.
    go work in Africa or Thailand they will be happy to have you as a as a doctor. read the section on italy written by many people on the site. you wont be able to earn enough to live.

    work in the states, earn decent money and come to italy on holiday. :)
    email me if you need further info, happy to help

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