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Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

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  • Growler
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    18 November, 2013 at 17:02
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    Not here mind you but on some of the larger boards and forums I have been seeing more and more posts by people that are surely not FTs. Since most of them praise schools or some recruiter, or even give links to phony review sites, I have to conclude they are desperate or aggressive agents prowling the forums looking for fresh meat. Just one more thing to look out for in China I suppose.

    phil
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    18 November, 2013 at 19:31
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    Can you explain what you mean by FTs? Remember not everyone may be aware of certain acronyms…

    Feedback
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    8 December, 2013 at 12:53
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    I’m guessing it stands for foreign teachers.

    camwill
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    2 January, 2014 at 3:56
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    I am a member of several forums and have noticed that one certain way to know whether they are a qualified teacher or not is when they can not write their question without spelling mistakes! Or answers which evidently have incorrect grammar!


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    NELSON
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    15 February, 2014 at 5:58
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    I spotted 5 of them at Dave’s and they are always protecting or promoting some recruiter or trying to sell some TEFL course, visa service, or school. They should just buy ads!

    Growler
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    2 May, 2014 at 5:38
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    I am a member of several forums and have noticed that one certain way to know whether they are a qualified teacher or not is when they can not write their question without spelling mistakes! Or answers which evidently have incorrect grammar!

    Other ways to spot them is by the high number of post counts they have because real teachers would not have time to be posting 20 posts a day. Also if you start getting unsolicited PMs (personal messages) from “helpful veteran teachers” offering free advice or recommending a certain school or agent (one of their colleagues). Lastly if you complain about low wages in China online, you will see the agents, posing as “fellow teachers” rush in with rebuttals saying “how cheap it is to live in China” or that these low wages are “normal” and double what Chinese teachers make.

    I say ignore them all and do your own homework and if you really need to use an agent, you might as well buy a T-Shirt that says in 6 inch letters “I am either dumb, lazy, or both.”

    Moonbeam
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    17 May, 2014 at 2:25
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    I am getting used to all the deception at those forums you guys mentioned. Even the admin at thebeijinger.com admitted in a post that he spend hours every week trying to play detective in deleting the agents masquerading as teachers. TIC – get used to it. Why use a recruiter anyway? Ridiculous!

    Moonbeam
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    12 August, 2014 at 13:47
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    I just found this gem at another esl forum that speaks volumes on why most of the really big expat forums can no longer be trusted to be objective. Read the second post of this thread…

    http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6523

    odo
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    30 October, 2014 at 22:23
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    On forums like Dave’s I sometimes wonder whether fakers are the majority… every actually useful thread I have seen there is always deleted a few days later.

    hs0zfe
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    3 November, 2014 at 4:49
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    Well, there are also semi-genuine ads by language schools in Vietnam.

    #1 is advertising again, misstating the city they are in and the hours they can offer. A bad combination and I pity the next teacher who falls for their false job ad.

    #2 had the owner pose as "the manager". Then he held an interview via Skype, faking a non-functional microphone. (I fell for the promised $ 1,000 salary and used the very same notebook to call family on Skype).

    * a tiny house on a dirt road.
    * a few kids show up for a class. (Doubt he was grossing more than the 30,000 D per student he confessed)
    * then he showed me a contract requiring me to pay a million so that he can fine me if I’m late or something.

    The guy couldn’t even speak English – but then engaged in backseat driving, choosing horrible lesson plans while ignoring students’ ability. (Silly vocab lesson with advanced students who knew all the words and who wanted to speak instead).

    Why are these owners lying? Do they think this would work in the long-term?

    I confronted #2 and he said "money is no problem, you are family".

    For all who want to get hired via Skype, do your homework and ascertain whether this business can actually offer the hours they promise you!

    Ask about the charge for the room & board!

    Ask to speak with a teacher and look for discrepancies regarding hours promised vs hours which are available; or the cost of the accommodation.

    Hello!
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    9 November, 2014 at 1:54
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    On forums like Dave’s I sometimes wonder whether fakers are the majority… every actually useful thread I have seen there is always deleted a few days later.

    Ding! Ding! Ding! – We have a winner! Just go to Dave’s and read he posts of

    Buckeye Bob

    RWA1981

    Hmmmmm

    Mellow Fellow

    Wo Dong

    and as soon as they mention anything about recruiter scams, or scams that buy paid advertising on eslcafe.com – they get banned! The same five guys dominate the China thread and 4 of the 5 sent me PMs trying to recruit me for teaching jobs!!!!! Anyone who talks truthfully about the China’s ESL scam world never makes it past 100 posts.

    It is even worse at Echinacities whose owner owns three recruitment agencies that tell new teachers abroad how to come to China and work illegally. See this here for a wake up call…

    http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=620902

    An even bigger dose of reality is waiting for you at http://ChinaScamPatrol.wordpress.com

    storm
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    17 January, 2015 at 17:20
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    "Growler" and others will rant against agents, you won’t see a single good word about them on the internet…..there is a fair bit of the "Microsoft" syndrome going on here–hate them for the sake of it, ’cause they are No1. Its like every time I log in from China G-mail accuses me of suspicious activity and I have to go through ‘recovery’.
    I am very happy with my agent and would thoroughly recommend them. In fact some of the stories my agent told me about problems with teachers might give you pause for thought. One of the poor girls at my agency has had trouble sleeping recently because one little sod of a boy from England, the agency ended up losing money on him. leaving her feeling very guilty. She is a sweet, somewhat naïve, 23 year old Chinese girl with only good intentions.

    storm
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    19 January, 2015 at 11:35
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    hs0zfe’s post is an example of why you might use an agent, they would have checked the school out—I have never been to Vietnam so I hazard a guess it is a different kettle of fish from China, a bit more wild West.
    As a newbie it was helpful to have an agent, I learned a lot about the process and the agent did all the hard negotiation for me. With the school I finally settled on, my contract went back and forwards between the agent and the company that I now work for, going over everything in detail. Also when I was in Beijing(and when I go) my agent
    puts me up in their office/apartment for free, no Beijing hotel prices to pay. If there is a problem with the school or anything else, they will sort it and they will fly down from Beijing if necessary.

    Growler
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    19 January, 2015 at 16:17
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    Hey Storm… I am not attacking all recruiters in my OP – only the ones who pretend to be fellow teachers and deny their recruiter role on forms where they secretly send PM solicitations after they spend a few says winning your confidence with a dialogue on a forum topic where they will always agree with you.

    There are good and bad recruiters in China like everywhere else. But in China the ratio might be 1 honest agent for every 12 dishonest ones. I suggest you check out http://chinascamwatch.org and the understand the angst most of us have for job recruiters in China. You were lucky to get a good one!

    storm
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    21 January, 2015 at 17:33
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    Well Growler, I am not experienced of course, being on my first contract(and agency) in China. Perhaps you are right and for once in my life, I got lucky–in getting a good agent. One in 12 is not good odds, more of a long-shot bet if you have some spare cash.
    Did I mention that my agent sent me some cheese for Christmas—the stuff in the supermarkets where I am is rubbish—bought off Taobao, came in a polystyrene box with cold-paks, so arrived in good condition.

    Moonbeam
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    4 February, 2015 at 16:23
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    It looks like Dave’s ESLcafe just banned two more users who refused to agree with the majority of the veteran users (recruiters wearing masks of teachers) that contracts should not be modified and just signed "as is". The same group of five also promotes recruiters and got threads on "Teacher Rights" and "Current China Teacher Requirements" deleted. When "Scrabble King" complained he was banned after veteran user B. Powell cited a "sticky" that said…

    "This is NOT a free speech forum" and moderators would decide what China teacher subjects would be "allowed". The two latest users to be banned are:

    "Juice" and "Scrabble King"

    This is another reason I get my info from ESLBase which does not try to hide stuff from us and doesn’t "lock" threads that get a good debate going. See:

    http://www.eslwatch.info/forum/china/60-why-do-expat-forums-in-china-run-by-foreigners-censor,-delete,-and-ban-users.html :|

    Do you guys think there is any reason we cannot discuss salaries or contracts or corrupt principals who skim our pay – or any other topic?

    Growler
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    12 February, 2015 at 4:38
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    For storm and everyone else: I found this post here basically spells out the real problem without beating around the bush. Its time we stop ignoring the elephant in the room and tell the emperor he is naked!

    http://eslwatch.info/forum/china/60-why-do-expat-forums-in-china-run-by-foreigners-censor,-delete,-and-ban-users.html

    Hello!
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    17 February, 2015 at 1:22
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    Yeah… even thebeijinger.com is starting to protect their scam advertisers from bad remarks made by users. Three threads about China ESL screwing people since 2006 were just deleted. My guess is they were probably bribed with a juicy advertising contract if the bad press "disappeared". They were caught here http://eslwatch.info/forum/china/60-why-do-expat-forums-in-china-run-by-foreigners-censor,-delete,-and-ban-users.html?start=6#251

    shang
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    22 April, 2015 at 12:36
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    Reply To: Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums?

    When you say that the teachers are fake, are you referring to those who teach ESL without a degree from an accredited university to teach English as a second language (which is just about every ESL ‘teacher’ out there), or are you referring to the people using these forums to recruit these fake teachers?

    Davis
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    12 August, 2015 at 13:10
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    Dave’s ESLCafe is full of the bastards and anyone who tries to expose the schools and programs they are promoting with PMs and second user names gets immediately deleted and banned. You can also spot them defending known scams like China ESL, Getin2China, or CUCAS. Or they try to confuse people about the legal requirements for teaching in China by fabricating false “exceptions” or saying foreign owned agencies don’t need an SAIC business license (totally false). ESL Cafe has lost all credibility IMO. They hustle everyone to buy something whether it is legit or a scam is not important to them. Watch out people. There are about ten regulars there like Nomad Soul, Bud Powell, and Choudoufu. There was a post by a user name “Scrabble King” that identified about 20 of them and they immediately pounced on the guy and git him banned, and then threatened to do the same to any others “who made trouble for them”


    Questions about contracts, expat labor rights, teachers requirements and visa laws for China are found at http://chinascamwatch.org

    Robbie
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    18 February, 2016 at 7:44
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    Yes I noticed that ESLCafe is full of the snakes. I also found this here which confirmed my suspicions http://www.opnlttr.com/letter/scam-alert-esl-tefl-teachers-should-avoid-daves-eslcafecom-job-board
    My eyeballs will never see that web site again.

    China Scam Patrol
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    26 January, 2017 at 6:30
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    Most of them get spotted and outted eventually. There are now about a dozen of them residing on some Reddit subs recruiting the newbies. They too will be spotted and identified when some angry victim gets screwed.

    Veteran ESL teachers can smell them a mile away and just avoid those forums. We hunt them down for fun when we are not working on a project. We found three already at Reddit and they are trashing and bashing the CTA, CFTU, and probably us as well.

    Thus is the life of an unlicensed black recruiter who cannot afford to buy ads. They simply troll the forums for free disguising their identity with an anonymous user name to promote one of their schemes and then using anoth sock puppet users to say how great that scheme is, and yet another user to send a PM to the new users who appear.


    For current news about China scams you can check the CFTU or CTA blacklists or visit http://reddit.com/r/chinascamcentral. Remember to read thrice and sign once!

    Laowai Lao Shi
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    22 February, 2017 at 2:44
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    Yeah, one of them caused me to get arrested because she turned out to be a recruiter for “Good Teachers Union” aka GT Union!. I explained my experience at another ESL Base post. Suggestion: Don’t answer PMs on ESL & TEFL forums they are all scammy recruiters pretending to offer helpful advice.


    Want to teach in China? Great, but be sure to check http://reddit.com/r/ChinaTEFL first! Plenty of surprises for all!

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