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Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

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  • NaRu
    Participant
    31 January, 2008 at 21:08
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    Hi, I have been offered a position at Suzhou Foreign Language School, but I don’t know anything about the school. They have a website but the website doesn’t have any contact information. I am in contact with someone but I just don’t know how serious this person is. If anyone has any information about the school PLEASE LET ME KNOW. Thank you

    StephanieB
    Participant
    19 May, 2009 at 10:22
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    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    ***Mod edit***

    A poster on eslcafe.com is one of the foreign managers at the school.
    His very own department bleeds teachers. Very few have been there more than two years and many run away after three-four months. It is considered an extremely abusive situation to work in. Even after I left, or was pushed out by Kev7161, I hear that the remaining teachers are all running away.

    Everything that other posters all over the Internet have written is quite true. If you take employment at this school you will need to pay great attention to your paycheck (always “irregularities”, the extra “free” work that they will pile upon top of you, etc., etc.).

    There are three or four departments within the school, each managed by American teachers. Each American head teacher is a white male, in his late 50’s, and believe it or not, each one weighs at least 350-400 pounds. I never saw so many fat white males under one roof in a foreign country.

    Considering that they host 20 foreign teachers a year, it is strange that nearly 16-17 of these teachers run away, don’t come back, don’t renew their contracts, etc., etc.

    In my own case, in early December, ***Mod edit*** harassed me to death until I could take it no more. ***Mod edit***

    I beg any teacher that seeks employment in this hellhole — run, run, run, run, run as fast as you can. Otherwise, it’s a bit like the “Hotel California” if you know the song.

    kansaskevin
    Participant
    1 July, 2009 at 3:18
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    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    Post removed due to posting rules violation – personal attack on an individual. Please see the posting rules.

    dizy5150
    Participant
    10 July, 2010 at 15:02
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    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    Does anyone know if Suzhou is the same as Suizhou? Also what is the address or at least the street name. Does anyone have the link to their school website.

    Bisis
    Participant
    10 July, 2011 at 11:03
    • Total posts: 18

    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    there was some bad rumors floating around about this school back in 2008. From what I heard even those weren’t true. As of today, I know 3 teachers there and they are all happy and renewing contracts for the next term. They offer a very complete compensation package, with good pay, free housing and plenty of vacation time. I review lots of school and talk to lots of teachers. It’s a good school as far as I can tell.

    Brett
    http://www.teachingnomad.com

    kingjames1
    Participant
    9 August, 2011 at 3:22
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    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    i also have been offered a job at this school. offer seems good… only hope it is as good in person. have been talking directly with this school. have done some research. however… i have read mostly negative comments about this place. only positive comments apparently came from teacher who used to work there or still does. @ bisis… ur people are happy there? good to hear. can someone tell me what end of town the school is located. i also have read that this school has bad location and is 20-3o minute cab ride from "downtown." i hope the place is near bus and train station. i need some cool places to hang out.

    Suzhou Teacher Also
    Participant
    14 August, 2011 at 1:11
    • Total posts: 19

    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    there was some bad rumors floating around about this school back in 2008. From what I heard even those weren’t true. As of today, I know 3 teachers there and they are all happy and renewing contracts for the next term. They offer a very complete compensation package, with good pay, free housing and plenty of vacation time. I review lots of school and talk to lots of teachers. It’s a good school as far as I can tell.

    Brett
    http://www.teachingnomad.com

    This post should send up a big, big red flag.

    Brett is a recruiter for Suzhou Foreign Language School. It is his job to bring warm bodies to the school. Once you have been in China for a while, you will quickly learn to question the motives of any recruiter or of any agent. It is not their job to be honest. It is their job to make a commission. Many of them can be quite reptilian and cold-blooded about it. Long on speech, short on truth.

    SFLS has a checkered reputation at best. It has been reviewed all over the Internet and one can find comments by at least 20 different teachers who have worked there at different points in time. Overall, these comments have been 95% highly, highly negative, exceptionally so for a school that pays so much money.

    One should never, ever 100% believe the word of a teacher still in the employ of the school. One needs to contact at least 3 – 4 foreign teachers no longer with the school for a better understanding of the current situation.

    One should never, ever 100% believe (or even 10% believe) the word of a foreign teacher who is a manager at the school. That is a given.

    All-in-all, Suzhou is a nice place.

    All-in-all, take a pass on this school unless you want the year from hell.

    Just do a search on the Internet.

    VocalRush
    Participant
    31 August, 2011 at 7:14
    • Total posts: 26

    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    The post immediately preceding this is 100% BS rubbish. Taking heed of his (or "her", depending on the day) words is simply unwise. As a CURRENT teacher at this school (not a recruiter, not a paid advertiser, not a manager . . . just a teacher), I can give you some insight as to your questions. SFLS is located on the west side of Suzhou (the Suzhou New District or SND). About 1/2 block away from the entrance to the school is a bus stop with several buses stopping that will take you in most any direction from the school. In a few months time, there will be a subway entrance located directly in front of the school. At least the main line of the new subway system will be completed by 2012 (but don’t ask me exactly when!). That will whisk you away to downtown and all the way to the other side of the city. There has been so much development around this school in the last couple of months. Within walking distance is a new movie theater, shopping malls, amusement and water parks, and several restaurant choices. A huge new shopping mall is opening also within the next few months. Many teachers are praying for a Starbucks!

    20 of our 28 teachers from last year have renewed their contract and, from the conversations I have with them, seem content with their job and the pay and benefits they receive. Of course there will be negative reviews of any school, generally from ex-employees who are probably not satisfied any where they work! One "reviewer" kept pretending he was a lady. Those that have talked to me personally about his, uh, HER reviews kept going on about how funny, yet sad they were. I know one teacher he had a huge mad-on about is still working there and parents and students seem to appreciate the work he does. Obviously the school does as well as they keep renewing his contract. He seems like a nice guy.

    I don’t know what else to tell you, but I’ll check back in at a later time if there are any follow-up questions. Good luck in your decision!

    VR

    VocalRush
    Participant
    9 September, 2011 at 9:20
    • Total posts: 26

    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    Good school, safe and reliable for mentally well-balanced, professional teachers. "Suzhou Teacher Also" used to work here over two years ago . . . for almost 10 whole weeks. You may see him here and there on the internet under the names "The Truth", "Diana", "Stephanie", "C. Worthington" (or even Carolynne Worthington), and 3 or 4 others. Posts by "them" (him) all read pretty much exactly the same and because he had such a rough go of it, makes it sound like this place is the worse hellhole on the face of the earth. Far from it – – not a perfect school to be sure, but what school in China can make a claim like that? But they are honest, pay on time, and well-reward the hard working teachers. The grousers and drunks that seem to float through their doors from time to time thankfully don’t last too long.

    Suzhou Teacher Also
    Participant
    14 September, 2011 at 12:00
    • Total posts: 19

    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    First of all, I never worked at that school.

    I am not going to play barnyard games with VocalRush.

    Here’s a quotation that from a posting that I picked up on another site. These are not my words but I did read all the articles that I mentioned very, very carefully and I will raise just one question.

    When there are almost 50 visibly different teachers writing on one thread about their experiences with VocalRush and his school, and nearly all of them are negative, and some of them are so personally revealing as to cause most persons to blush, truly, truly something must be rotten in Denmark, or is it Suzhou, or is it Pizza Hut or is it Topeka, Kansas? Anyway, let’s say something must be rotten in Suzhou, that’s fair enough!

    Next, I encourage all to read the long, long response of Mr. Raoul Duke to VocalRush. Mr. Duke and others were personally acquainted with VocalRush and the school and thus bring direct witness. They ain’t me, not here, not in Kansas.

    Next, I encourage all to read the long, long posts on http://www.eslteachersboard.com by Dr. P. Turnoi, who conducted a serious investigation into the complaints against the school and comments made against VocalRush. VocalRush and his multiple identities have been banned from that site as a result.

    Next, somehow, somehow, VocalRush imminsced himself into a totally harmless site called the BadgerandBlade, or something like that, a little site in the United States, and he wreaked havoc until he was banned from that site, too, for "comments detrimental to the well-being of the board". Is that something like moral turpitude? I am not sure.

    Anyway, folks, here are the comments from another site. They ain’t mine and I don’t take responsibility for them but they are noteworthy.

    "I would encourage all posters to carefully read the long thread about this school on

    http://www.raoulschinasaloon.com (Suzhou Foreign Language School — particularly the last four pages of the thread).

    In reading this thread, one may note the intervention of Dr. P. Turnoi, one of the well-respected intervenionists and proprietors of http://www.eslteachersboard.com and Raoul Duke, owner of the site.

    The details are florid, almost rancid and the highly personal descriptions of some of the managers provide information which I would blush about posting myself.

    Please do not take my word, dear readers, for anything. Please do read what others have written on long-established and well-reputed websites.

    http://raoulschinasaloon.com/index.php?topic=326.0

    Additionally, I would encourage all to read the following post, signed by the author himself, a well-known and well-respected proprietor of a TESL forum. A serious forum, generally not political I might and a person who generally does remain above the fray.

    http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin … read=25663"

    VocalRush
    Participant
    14 September, 2011 at 12:51
    • Total posts: 26

    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    Next, somehow, somehow, VocalRush imminsced himself into a totally harmless site called the BadgerandBlade, or something like that, a little site in the United States, and he wreaked havoc until he was banned from that site, too, for "comments detrimental to the well-being of the board". Is that something like moral turpitude? I am not sure.

    A total and bald-faced lie. Vocal Rush is just following a trail of breadcrumbs left by, again, THE EXACT SAME PERSON seemingly, who is going from one site to another more than TWO YEARS after he left a place where he BRIEFLY worked, trying to stir the pot. It’s not working very well, IMHO. :lol: BTW, what is "imminsced"? :lol:

    When there are almost 50 visibly different teachers writing on one thread about their experiences with VocalRush and his school

    a) yes and almost 49 are from the same person under just about 49 different internet names! :lol:

    b) not "my" school – – I’m just a lowly foreign teacher there, along with 33 other foreign teachers. Someone is grasping at straws if they think they "know" me or even "know of" me. :lol: But, you know, "Suzhou Teacher Also", if I truly don’t know you and you truly don’t know me, take a deep breath . . . and let it go. You’ve done your civic duty by blasting this school, blasting VocalRush, and leading readers of this thread on a merry chase through internet-land to dredge up old posts about someone else you don’t even know! :? :shock: :lol:

    long response of Mr. Raoul Duke to VocalRush. Mr. Duke and others were personally acquainted with VocalRush

    Another lie. I personally don’t "know" a so-called Mr. Raoul Duke as this is a fictional character created by one Hunter S. Thompson. Please don’t confuse someone you THINK you "know" or "know of" with anyone else. And this fictional character was addressing a "VocalRush"? Damn! I thought this name was unique. Oh, but wait, this is the internet where billions of people visit every day. Perhaps there is the odd chance (1 in a million maybe?) that some users actually duplicate other people’s web names, maybe by accident – – maybe sometimes for nefarious reasons.

    Yes, yes, several (or perhaps only just a few) probably have read the hyperbole, the false accusations against one long-time teacher at this school from one short-lived teacher who WAS very, very briefly associated with this school, mud-flinging and finger-pointing. trying to sully a reputation, all to no avail. My advice? Time to get over it, brush the chip off the slumped shoulder and MOVE ON. I imagine, like, 3 people are even reading this and 2 of them are us!!!! :lol: And the third one is :roll:

    Suzhou Teacher Also
    Participant
    21 September, 2011 at 9:51
    • Total posts: 19

    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    I am not going to get into a barnyard brawl with VocalRush — after all, I’m not from Kansas and I have never been in a barnyard nor in a Pizza Hut for that matter (details taken from the posts about him and his school on http://www.eslteachersboard.com and http://www.raoulschinasaloon.com).

    I am only one poster and there are myriad others, with available email addresses, who have heaped much-needed and endless amounts of criticism and scorn upon the school where VocalRush (or is it Kev7161) works and administers and dispatches to perdition all who come in his way.

    The school is an absolute avoid. Please, please anyone, just go to http://www.eslteachersboard.com and read the detailed posts by Dr. P. Turnoi about the place and about the man. If that doesn’t suffice, then please, please go to http://www.raoulschinasaloon.com and check out the thread that I mentioned before. Your hair will turn white, to say the least.

    On another site, 60 posters who have worked at the school have given it a rating of 2.00 out of 5.00 — hardly a good score by any means.

    And as for VocalRush aka Kev7161 he is part of the school’s management and mainly functions are its attack dog.

    VocalRush
    Participant
    21 September, 2011 at 10:51
    • Total posts: 26

    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    I am not going to get into a barnyard brawl with VocalRush

    Too late. It’s like a pig running when hearing the dinner bell. It’s just in the pig’s nature. :lol:

    I have never been in a barnyard nor in a Pizza Hut for that matter

    No? But I’ve bet you’ve visited a Papa John’s a time or twenty, eh? :wink: Where in Suzhou are you? I’d love to meet you face-to-face and break you (in to the joys of Pizza Hut!) :lol: :lol:

    On another site, 60 posters who have worked at the school have given it a rating of 2.00 out of 5.00

    Why no link to that site? C’mon . . . you know you want to. Just do it! :lol: Surely you are not one to exaggerate!?! Let us all count the SIXTY different posters. Or . . . maybe it’s 60 posts, but not 60 different posters. :?: :lol:

    Your hair will turn white, to say the least.

    Or maybe it will just fall out altogether! :lol:

    Suzhou Teacher Also
    Participant
    23 September, 2011 at 8:41
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    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    I am not going to get into a barnyard brawl with VocalRush

    Too late. It’s like a pig running when hearing the dinner bell. It’s just in the pig’s nature. :lol:

    I have never been in a barnyard nor in a Pizza Hut for that matter

    No? But I’ve bet you’ve visited a Papa John’s a time or twenty, eh? :wink: Where in Suzhou are you? I’d love to meet you face-to-face and break you (in to the joys of Pizza Hut!) :lol: :lol:

    On another site, 60 posters who have worked at the school have given it a rating of 2.00 out of 5.00

    Why no link to that site? C’mon . . . you know you want to. Just do it! :lol: Surely you are not one to exaggerate!?! Let us all count the SIXTY different posters. Or . . . maybe it’s 60 posts, but not 60 different posters. :?: :lol:

    Your hair will turn white, to say the least.

    Or maybe it will just fall out altogether! :lol:

    I am truly sorry but the posting that has been quoted here is simply psychotic beyond belief. VocalRush, perhaps it’s time to check your blood sugar level or something. I am always happy to respond to any postings that contain at least one gram of common sense or reason or something like that.

    In the meantime, VocalRush has attempted to make an appearance on http://www.eslteachersboard.com and has been smitten down again by the Board Interventionist on the grounds of "lack of decency" in postings.

    VocalRush
    Participant
    23 September, 2011 at 8:50
    • Total posts: 26

    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    In the meantime, VocalRush has attempted to make an appearance on http://www.eslteachersboard.com and has been smitten down again by the Board Interventionist on the grounds of "lack of decency" in postings.

    Liar, liar, pants on fire! :lol:

    VocalRush
    Participant
    23 September, 2011 at 10:01
    • Total posts: 26

    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    So, let’s see if I can break this down, Cupcake. ( You don’t mind if I call you Cupcake, do you? Hey! Another new internet name for you! :lol: )

    So, now you are claiming that I and this other dude you are obsessing over are the same person (creepy!)??

    scorn upon the school where VocalRush (or is it Kev7161) works

    VocalRush and his multiple identities have been banned from that site as a result.

    And this was after I outed YOU and your Sybil-like tendencies – – original much? :lol:

    But then you say this other dude (or, as you say, VocalRush, meaning I) has been banned or something from an eslteachersboard website:

    VocalRush and his multiple identities have been banned from that site (referring to "eslteachersboard.com") as a result.

    But now you say that, somehow, I (VocalRush) have just been drummed out of that website AGAIN? How can that be if I (VocalRush) was banned before?

    VocalRush has attempted to make an appearance on http://www.eslteachersboard.com and has been smitten down again by the Board Interventionist on the grounds of "lack of decency" in postings.

    Well, Cupcake, I just moseyed on over to that site following your accommodating link, and now I’ve got the whole skinny on the situation. Here’s what happens folks: For some reason "Suzhou Teacher Also" (currently aka as "C. Worthington") and a couple others have gotten this HUGE mad-on toward the school in which I work. Why, C. Worthington even claims she, uh, he, uh . . .whatever . . . used to work there last year (but not "Suzhou Teacher Also" :wink: ). It seems they really, REALLY don’t like this kev7161 guy and really go to town knocking him and calling him all sorts of schoolyard bully names (or, akin to a "barnyard brawl" if you will). Now then, here’s the tricky part. Anyone, and I do mean anyone who comes to that website and sticks up for the school or even for kev7161 also gets berated and stomped on and then, to top it all off, each and every one of those posters is accused of all being one and the same. So I guess kev7161 hops from IP address to IP address and keeps posting and fightin’ with these old cusses because . . . I don’t know, he’s a glutton for punishment?

    So, according to "Suzhou Teacher Also", some websites have SIXTY DIFFERENT POSTERS making all sorts of icky, heinous claims against SFLS, but all the many praises and defenses and other swell comments come from just one, poor, downtrodden teacher. Well, :lol: and a big ol’ :roll:

    Did I just about get all that . . . Cupcake? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Suzhou Teacher Also
    Participant
    24 September, 2011 at 0:01
    • Total posts: 19

    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    Now is this last post by VocalRush way beyond the pale or not.

    This is exactly the atmosphere at SFLS where VocalRush is the boss of the International Department. If you like having desks thrown at you, please go to work for him. If you like having books thrown at you in fits of anger, please go to work for him. If you like being humiliated in public by a 225 kilo ogre, then please go to work for him. If you like working for a former Pizza Hut delivery boy, yes, a delivery boy, who suddenly morphed into a school leader in China, then go to work for him. If you like working for someone who has to lead their entire life on the Internet for lack of friends, then go to work for him. If you like sitting through endless and mindless staff meetings discussing the color of the draperies in the classroom, then go to work for him. If you want to be one of the 10 – 15 teachers that he fires every year, often within weeks of their arrival at the school, then go to work for him. If you are very, very adept at handling someone who is decidedly bipolar, then please go to work for him. For the darker sides to his nature, which I will not post here, please refer to Dr. Turnoi’s and Raoul Duke’s posts that have been mentioned here and elsewhere.

    VocalRush
    Participant
    24 September, 2011 at 0:08
    • Total posts: 26

    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    *YAWN!* I’m bored now. "Suzhou Teacher Also" has finally revealed himself with this most recent post – – my work is done. 8)

    Suzhou Teacher Also
    Participant
    25 September, 2011 at 1:24
    • Total posts: 19

    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    *YAWN!* I’m bored now. "Suzhou Teacher Also" has finally revealed himself with this most recent post – – my work is done. 8)

    Be nice dearie. Time for your little pills.

    In any case, as I said, he is really good a throwing desks, having hissy fits, flinging books, smacking little children, being an ogre. It’s a case of "nouveau riche", "arriviste", "right off the boat" but only in China. How can one morph from Pizza Hut delivery boy to School Manager? I mean how can a snake morph from a snake into a beautiful butterfly? It just doesn’t happen.

    In any case, to all readers, avoid the school. There was a really good post on another site from which this guy was banned that said something like "if everything is so perfect in this school, why does this Kev7161 or VocalRush or Big_Chub_For_Sale turn up everyone with his foul mouth"? It’s not my quote and if you does a search one will find it.

    In any case, for more details, please contact Dr. Turnoi at http://www.eslteachersboard.com. Or Raoul Duke at http://www.raoulschinasaloon.com. They will willingly provide you with the full CV / resume of this creature and his school.

    Anyway, as a I said to the poster, take your pills, dearie, It’s time for some Valium for you.

    jake
    Participant
    15 October, 2011 at 6:45
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    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    In any case, for more details, please contact Dr. Turnoi at http://www.eslteachersboard.com. Or Raoul Duke at http://www.raouls chinasaloon.com. They will willingly provide you with the full CV / resume of this creature and his school.

    And how about a full resume of Dr. Turnoi or Raoul Duke? Whose to say these people have the best of intensions? All posts criticizing or defending in any school in an intelligent way are blocked by the troll forum at eslteachersboard – it is impossible to get word out there because they block posts defending the good nature of a place.

    There is now a lawsuit pending against that forum and Raoul Duke and "Dr. Turnoi" for slander. Raoul Duke has been outed here:

    and "Dr. Turnoi" has been outed here:

    http://forums.degreediscussion.com/view.-.-.f=5&t=4218
    http://forums.degreediscussion.com/view.-.-.f=5&t=8442

    These people are worse than the peopIe they criticize.

    Raoul F. Duke
    Participant
    15 October, 2011 at 17:32
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    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    No liar, no pants on fire, as witnessed by your earlier missive, under another alias, quite rightly deleted as being abusive. :lol:

    It’s almost kind of sad, really, to see this dogmeat school and its repugnant FAO having to roll from one EFL site to the next in hopes of evading the truth.

    And the truth is that Suzhou Foreign Language School (aka "SIFLIS") is a nightmare you really don’t want to work for. Even in a land full of awful schools, this one is a noteworthy low point. I don’t really need to add to the overwhelming body of horror stories about this place that are already out there…

    The singly-aliased Raoul F. duke

    VocalRush
    Participant
    16 October, 2011 at 8:11
    • Total posts: 26

    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    My colleague "confused@sfls" emailed me this posting he made at eslteachersboard recently as he fears it will probably not get posted:

    I am really "confused@sfls"!

    First I see this:

    Your "good friend" the 400-pound miracle of Suzhou put up a post about you on another site. In this post, he claims that you are a fraud, that your real name is not Raoul Duke but some very, very English-sounding waspy name, that you never met him, that he doesn’t know you, that he never saw you, that you never saw him, that you know nothing about him, etc., etc.

    All of that is not unusual, given the person-in-question. What is unusual, however, are the personal details. We are not permitted to "out" people on this board with very particular details, and yet if you go read that posting, on that board, you will find that Kevin H. has rather outed you, in his manner, which is to say that it is like being bitten by a piranha with rabies.

    Thank you for your post in reply to my post. I stand by my information. There was a meeting and if one checks the Internet, one will see that every site which contained a criticism of the school and of Kevin has been spammed — every site — all of them by new, happy, wonderful teachers

    .

    Then I see this:

    viewtopic/t-548

    This is one of them, dear Raoul, I am going to go hunting for the others. He repeated the post in various forms on at least two-or-three boards.

    He has not business putting up your real name and other details. When his real name appeared on this site several posts ago, those posts simply disappeared. In fact, on his "home" territory — the greasy spoon as your boards refer to it — we are not even allowed, permitted or tolerated to put up the slightest criticism of his school, nor of his most holy, august, saintly and irreproachable character. The posts on the greasy spoon are censored before they even appear by a moderator called "Writerman" whom I assume must be a "friend", "soulmate", "bedmate" whatever of the most holy, august, saintly and irreproachable character.

    Kevin’s aliases to date ; confused@ siflis.com; kev7161; vocalrush; jakethefake; delmonico; and "pass me the valium" and at least 10 others, on this board alone.

    Anyway, in your shoes, I would encourage the moderator on the other board to delete that post. It’s against their rules.

    Then I follow the thread you so eagerly provided and find this concerning "Raoul":

    By a certain "Suzhou Teacher Also" (whom I sure has entirely NO RELATION to this mysterious "new" poster going by the name of "Mrs. Kevin Vander Helmsleigh, Ph.D." – – nor "C. Worthington" either I’m sure) — this is just a small chunk of one of his quite lengthy posts (follow the handy link, you can see it all) – –

    "I would encourage all posters to carefully read the long thread about this school on
    http : // www . raoulschinasaloon . com (Suzhou Foreign Language School — particularly the last four pages of the thread).

    And the response from a poster on THAT website, with a web name of "VocalRush" (who, yes, of course, MUST be Kevin {geez!}, uh, the first one, not this most recent "Kevin" – – see why I’m "confused@sfls"?) had only this to say in response:

    I personally don’t "know" a so-called Mr. Raoul Duke as this is a fictional character created by one Hunter S. Thompson. Please don’t confuse someone you THINK you "know" or "know of" with anyone else. And this fictional character was addressing a "VocalRush"? Damn! I thought this name was unique. Oh, but wait, this is the internet where billions of people visit every day. Perhaps there is the odd chance (1 in a million maybe?) that some users actually duplicate other people’s web names, maybe by accident – – maybe sometimes for nefarious reasons.

    So, here’s why I’m still "confused@sfls":

    1. Turnoi, one of the moderators of this site, has suggested and encouraged that no more postings or threads about Suzhou Foreign Language School or SFLS or any other sort of nebulous connections be made at this site anymore. Enough has been said and regurgitated and he and (I would guess) everyone has had enough. Savvy readers can figure things out with all the "evidence" thrown about, yes? But it seems that posts ARE getting through, but only negative ones being directed toward the school and some of its employees. I’ll be REALLY surprised if this one sees the light of day!

    2. C. Worthington has seemingly disappeared and Mrs. Kevin Vander Helmsleigh, Ph.D. (gawd! I have to copy and paste that one – – who wants to type all that out?) has suddenly appeared out of left field? Who is this guy? What possible relation do you have to this school, to the (1st) Kevin, that other website, etc.? What in god’s name has prompted you to join the fray? Bored . . . or something a bit more insidious?

    3. That other poster, VocalRush, had very little to say about "Raoul". "Suzhou Teacher Also" referred to his website numerous times, yet you’re dragging him in as if there was a whole slew of vitriol flung his way? What’s up with that? What is this "English sounding waspy name" to which you refer? What "real name and postings"? What in the hell are you talking about?

    So, yes, I am still and probably will forever be: "confused@sfls"!

    You can follow it at:

    http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin.-.-.read=40458

    It seems we all read a variety of websites and follow each others proclamations with bated breath (and for the life of me, I don’t know why I bother!) I really don’t have a comment on the above quoted message, just thought it made for fascinating reading! :lol:

    PS: As far as I know, no postings by me (to date) have been deleted by the moderators, save for one very small one I actually requested being deleted due to an error I made. It seems a person can’t edit their own postings here or, if you can, I can’t figure out how to do it! :?:

    VocalRush
    Participant
    16 October, 2011 at 11:42
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    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    PS: As far as I know, no postings by me (to date) have been deleted by the moderators, save for one very small one I actually requested being deleted due to an error I made. It seems a person can’t edit their own postings here or, if you can, I can’t figure out how to do it! :?:

    My mistake, that message I asked to be deleted was at another TEFLwebsite that I frequent. Geez, even I’m becoming confused now! :lol: :lol:

    Raoul F. Duke
    Participant
    17 October, 2011 at 6:15
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    VocalRush, are you huffing airplane glue, or what? You’re not making any sense, even by your low standards. :shock:

    VocalRush
    Participant
    17 October, 2011 at 7:07
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    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    Thank you. . . . :wink: :D

    Yeah, it was ANOTHER website that I asked for a post to be deleted. Here, one can edit a post as I am just now doing. So, to address Raoul, what you’ve been told about posts being deleted is a total fabrication, especially on this website, but really on any website. Hope that is a bit clearer; if not – – oh well. That’s life! :lol:

    jake
    Participant
    17 October, 2011 at 21:35
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    Turnoi is taking a serious beating on http://forums.degreediscussion.com/view … f=5&t=8442 . His own school offers pseudo-degrees and he has been caught listing fake credentials and he doesn’t pay his own staff! Where are your crocodiles now, Turnoi? Can’t block the truth on a forum you don’t moderate, lol!

    Now it becomes clear that all the malicious comments on the eslteachersboard.com site are just Turnoi’s attempt to generate responses in order to improve search engine optimization for the websites and have nothing to do with providing free and impartial advice to ESL teachers!

    Raoul F. Duke
    Participant
    18 October, 2011 at 3:01
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    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    So, to address Raoul, what you’ve been told about posts being deleted is a total fabrication

    Re: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    Postby kansaskevin » 1 Jul 2009 3:18
    Post removed due to posting rules violation – personal attack on an individual. Please see the posting rules.

    Sometimes, all one has to do is look up. 8)

    VocalRush
    Participant
    18 October, 2011 at 7:15
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    Right, and from what I understand, our good, dear friend A*** was using this name for a short while (like he uses many names for a short while, please note the date – – VERY soon after this whole mess started). How clever that he used "K’s" name, wasn’t it? The point is, however, he lied to you when he claimed that postings relating to you have been removed from this or any website, in the near past. If any posting like that appears and then disappears in the near future, you can bet that dear A*** is the culprit! I guess my question is, why do you continue to defend this guy when you know who and what he is all about? We’ve been following your missives on that other website and you seem to be really buddy-buddy with this guy. I wonder if you TRULY know him or if you just like stirring the pot with him.

    BTW: Just to make things crystal clear: The deleted post you refer to was posted and deleted in June/July of 2009. I am fairly certain that post had nothing to do with you, your website, your personal life, nada, zilch, zero. That deleted post in all likelihood was not posted by "K", rather by A*** (another one of his hit and run posts), trying to, I guess, muddy the water at that time. Your friend here, Suzhou Teacher Also, and there, Mrs. such-and-such PhD (yeah, right) is claiming that RECENT postings against you (perpetrated by me) have appeared and then disappeared due to some such against-the-rules information. Ask yourself this: Why in god’s name would I even drag you into this morass? I’ve only recently become aware of you and your identity. I don’t even HAVE personal information about you! It doesn’t add up. But I think you already have all the answers, yes? :lol:

    Raoul F. Duke
    Participant
    18 October, 2011 at 21:26
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    I think you already have all the answers, yes?

    Oh, in this case I have enough of them, yeah. 8)

    jake
    Participant
    21 October, 2011 at 21:14
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    The problem with that "other site" mentioned here is that it blocks all positive reviews of schools. This doesn’t give a fair picture. This sort of behavior is becoming illegal in more and more places: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-1 … um=twitter

    VocalRush
    Participant
    22 October, 2011 at 0:21
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    And you know Jake, if A*** had come on that site or this site or any site a couple of years ago and went under his own name instead of 20 other more and more absurd names and posted his gripes and complaints in a more realistic manner, he probably would have earned himself a bit more respect and less ire from other legitimate teachers then and now.

    Honestly the opinions and comments of San Migs, Dragonized, Turnoi (or Turino), Silverboy, etc., and the many aliases of A*** no longer really carry much weight when it comes to this school. From what I’ve read elsewhere, that other website is viewed upon as a joke amongst the ESL/EFL community. Smart people recognize it for what it is and the hysteria it tries to incite. I was following another thread recently in which I have no stake in at all, but there was someone calling some other school/organization a horrible place to work at and the usual gang listed above jumps on the bandwagon and starts blasting this place as if they’ve all worked there and know the organization personally. The moment a couple of people tried to defend against it, they were "beat up" for it. It’s just the nature of that website and I’m glad they’ve exposed themselves for the thugs they are time and again.

    To be sure, they have no right to accuse people of some of the nasty things that have been put on that message board in the past. That’s not right and I wish someone would intervene and have them ordered to take off highly inflammatory remarks. Heck, half the postings would go missing I’d bet! :lol:

    david2
    Participant
    28 October, 2011 at 8:35
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    Hi there, I teach International Class 1st grade at the Suzhou Foreign Language School. This job is cake, and I would recommend this school to anyone looking for a job teaching English. To address the numerous negative posts made against this school, I would like to quote the disclaimer on this website:
    "When you read a bad post against a school, it may be true. There are also reasons why it may not be true. For example, it might be written by a competitor. It might also be written by a disgruntled teacher who has good reasons to be disgruntled. Or not really good reasons. Ask yourself how credible the writer sounds; and if you are interested in this school, do some further research including speaking to present and past teachers."
    Don’t be influenced by the bad reviews on different forums. If you want to talk to a few people who work here, during the interview process have your contact at the school give you my phone number or email. I would be happy to help you talk to some English teachers, German teachers, Chinese teachers, students, parents, and administrators. There are hundreds of people here who would give you an accurate view of what your job would be like here: flat mate finders

    Suzhou Teacher Also
    Participant
    19 November, 2011 at 5:06
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    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    Concerning Vocal Rush, aka Kev7161, aka Manager, International Department, aka Jake Fischer, aka Fischer, aka schizo,

    The above poster has one of the DARKEST reputations of any foreign teachers in China.

    He has been the subject of at least 100 posts on http://www.eslteachersboard.com, a very respected ESL board worldwide, from which he has been permanently banned. I will comment about what has been written there.

    He has been the subject of at least 50 posts on http://www.raoulschinasaloon.com, a very respected ESL board in China, from which he has also been permanently banned. Again I will refrain from commenting upon what has been written there.

    He has been banned or ejected from numerous other ESL boards.

    He posts under many monikers, all of them false and devious, and he attracts unsuspecting foreign teachers to his school, aka his lair, where he devours them professionally and then spits them up, in tatters and shreds. He actually caused one poor French lady a nervous breakdown or that is what we hear.

    So there is the truth, dear posters. Avoid him and avoid his school, at least until he is removed from that school.

    VocalRush
    Participant
    19 November, 2011 at 9:35
    • Total posts: 26

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    Are you STILL blathering on? Why do you care? According to your less-than-stellar postings, you’ve never worked there and have never met anyone who currently works there. I sincerely doubt you’ve ever met ANYONE who’s ever worked there. You have absolutely no stake in this school or anyone who is currently employed there or even those that have left there in the past. Your opinions are worth less than pond scum.

    He has been the subject of at least 100 posts on http://www.eslteachersboard.com, a very respected ESL board worldwide

    VERY respected? Yeah, by about 5 trolls who dominate that website.

    He posts under many monikers, all of them false and devious,

    Let me see how many of your Sybil aliases I can come up with: The Truth, Suzhou Teacher Also, Carolynn (or "C") Worthington, Mrs. Kevin Vanderblather Hemsleigh, Diana, Stephanie, Pork Dumpling, North China Laowai, Hunan Foreign Guy, KansasKevin . . . .and I’m sure there must be several more that have come and gone so quickly. Looking forward to the next moniker you come up with at your much beloved site you mentioned in the first quote.

    Avoid him and avoid his school,

    As far as I know, this is not K’s school, Jake’s school, my school or any foreign teacher’s school. It is the place where we are employed, some of us for quite a while now (unlike you, who couldn’t last more than 10 weeks – – contrary to what you claim as "The Truth"! :lol: )

    So there is the truth, dear posters

    Nothing that ever, ever spews forth from your mouth or springs from your keyboard is even remotely close to the truth. However, you would make a great fantasy writer. Why not pursue that career before you die? :lol:

    Give it up A**x – – your goose has been cooked and it’s time to call it a day! :lol:

    jake
    Participant
    21 November, 2011 at 23:07
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    I can’t believe this Alex guy keeps going. Leave it alone. I don’t know who you are or why you are doing this, but shouldn’t you grow up and get on with your life?

    Regarding eslteachersboard, no-one that reads the drivel on that site for more than 5 threads could possibly have any respect whatsoever for anything said there. I honestly don’t know what motivates the 3 or 4 posters there to repost the same slander, time and time again – I can only think it may have something to do with keeping postings coming and therefore pushing up Google ratings. If this is the case, these 3 or 4 people are outright arseholes – it is highly unethical, to say the least, to be benefiting in ANY way from indiscriminate slandering of unknown parties.

    I think a lot of people look forward to the day the whole bunch of these drooling 60-something year-old men either stop acting like 13 year old boys, or die, whichever comes sooner.

    dan
    Moderator
    23 November, 2011 at 13:23
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    Reply To: Anyone heard of Suzhou Foreign Language School???

    Ok, I think we’re done here – I’m locking the topic now.

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