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  • micko
    Participant
    29 June, 2015 at 8:31
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    Hi,

    My son is thinking about contracting to these guys.

    http://www.teachteflinchina.org/

    Does anybody know if they’re a good company? They haven’t asked him for any money up front, other than a refundable deposit of £250 for the accomodation.

    Thanks.

    dan
    Moderator
    29 June, 2015 at 9:14
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    A few minor alarm bells

    I haven’t heard anything about this company. It looks like they work with a TEFL course provider to provide the training, rather than providing it themselves, and then place the newly qualified teacher in a job for 12 months. There’s nothing inherently strange about this.

    Looking at their website, it looks perhaps a little generically put together. There’s one sentence on their homepage that sounds a little strange:

    This system ensures that each teacher is brought up to the required standard and even teachers with existing TEFL, TOEFL and CELTA qualifications go through this process.

    TOEFL is not a qualification for English language teachers – it’s a qualification for English English language learners, so it seems a little strange that they’ve included it in this sentence. It also strikes me as a bit odd that they would require a teacher who already has a CELTA qualification to go through their online TEFL course. CELTA is a very good, very well reputed qualification, and a teacher who has this shouldn’t then need to do another online training course before arriving in China. But maybe they’re just ensuring that everyone who works with them has gone through the same process.

    So apart from these little things, no major alarm bells…

    …apart from the £250 deposit. I advise people not to send money upfront for any reason – there are plenty of recruiters out there who don’t ask for anything upfront so why take the risk? But on the other hand, a request for a deposit doesn’t necessarily mean that the recruiter is not reputable – some recruiters ask for money, others don’t. It’s a decision you’ll have to make based on whether or not you feel comfortable. I would advise you to do two things:

    – a thorough internet search for the name of the company and any other names they trade under, their address, phone number, etc, to see if anything odd comes up.

    – give them a call on their UK number. Ask absolutely any questions you need to enable you to feel comfortable. If a company is reputable, they will have no problem answering any questions because they will have noting to hide.

    Hope that helps.

    Dan

    JackW
    Participant
    21 July, 2015 at 13:45
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    Hi Micko, Dan
    I too have been approached by TeachTEFLinChina recently and have proceeded with interviews, emails of documents and passport scan page. The deposit upfront is now due and it is causing me some concern, an invoice was sent to my Paypal account.

    Some people have highlighted potential worries, indeed I was offered the same terms as the person in the thread below, should we be worried or is there any way to confirm this is indeed 100% genuine and not a scam?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TEFL/comments/3bemmc/teachteflinchinaorg

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TEFL/comments/3bemmc/teachteflinchinaorg

    http://www.reddit.com/r/TEFL/comments/3aln8x/anyone_with_experience_with_teach_tefl_in_china

    The most recent email I received stated “your work visa application has now been finalised and completed we should get confirmation within 7 working days from the Foreign Expert Bureau, however it will most likely be sooner than that”

    I would prefer not to pay the Accomodation Deposit until after landing in China but the company have also made clear “The login details for the TEFL course will be released once we have either received your deposit or confirmation of your flight booking”… and they state I should not book flights “until your work license has been issued”

    They don’t appear to have a Facebook page, any third party reviews nor any site suggesting it is a scam company. Perhaps we’re all being rather cynical but I’m hoping someone here may be able to provide some more information about them

    dan
    Moderator
    21 July, 2015 at 14:22
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    Perhaps we’re all being rather cynical

    I hope so… I can’t add anything more to what I replied above unfortunately. Hope it works out for you.

    Dan

    T_K
    Participant
    29 July, 2015 at 14:51
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    Hi I have been approached by the same company…did anybody get their saic licence checked? also did they give any information about the accommodation or the schools?

    JackW
    Participant
    6 August, 2015 at 15:19
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    Thanks Dan, I will try update here in case there are others interested and for future reference.

    I’ve received a photo of the SAIC licence, its in Chinese but there is a reference number that corresponds with the contract and the work permit i’ve received.

    I received information about the type of school I will be assigned to work at but not specifically which. Accommodation information was more generic and no details yet. Thinking back to Uni days though I can’t imagine it being any worse than the house I shared.

    They seem like a highly competent team up to this point and happy to advise on flight bookings, TEFL course details and pretty much anything I’ve asked so far.

    Waiting on them to explain how the deposit guarantee (if there is one) works. Paypal provides a 30 day security feature, but I would like to know how I can ensure the deposit is returned at the end of the contract.

    ArdynBaia
    Participant
    4 September, 2015 at 16:31
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    Hi,

    I actually went through them to get my TEFL certificate. They’re a decent company. However I was never successful to get a job through their site – not very helpful.
    So if your son has got a job I think it’s likely to be an ok company but they are not the direct schools or programs – they’re recruiters from what I understand, so whether he gets a job with them or not, it’s not them that will provide the contract and conditions. They’re just the middle men in this situation.

    Best of luck

    JackW
    Participant
    9 September, 2015 at 1:50
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    Hi all
    Quick update. I’m in Shenzhen!
    The recruitment company are largely not involved, as the contract is signed with the CIPTC. So the recruitment agency TeachTEFLinChina are legitimate. I was dealing with the CIPTC via WeChat and email before arriving (although I thought it was the recruitment agency).
    The main points are that Ray, Wendy, Vera, Hannah, Bill and the team have been welcoming and accommodated my every need. They helped set up a bank account, order and set up a phone, provided metro cards and fancy lunches during the training period (5-6 days).
    The schools are a fair distance away from all the apartments so commuting early can be tiring, especially as you spend all day in school. You do get two hours for lunch break though.
    If anyone is interested to know more feel free to PM me or post here

    jocfrazer
    Participant
    9 September, 2015 at 20:06
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    Great to hear it’s working out!

    My husband and I have been dithering over whether to go ahead with the interviews as I couldn’t find anything positive about the organisation online. I think we’ll go ahead with that now.

    What are the accommodation and school like? Are there many other tefl teachers there? What are the school hours?

    I think any information you can offer would be helpful to lots of people, like I said just googling Teachteflchina had me ready to turn it down!

    Thanks :-)

    jocfrazer
    Participant
    9 September, 2015 at 20:06
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    Hi,

    Does anyone have any further information on this organisation or experience working in China with them? Did you progress any further with it JackW?

    I’ve also been contacted by them and my husband and I are considering going. He doesn’t have any TEFL qualification or teaching experience which is why what they offer appeals.

    But obviously some of the concerns raised are a bit of a worry!

    Thanks.

    CC
    Participant
    12 October, 2015 at 8:54
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    Hi JackW,

    I am coming out to Shenzhen in February 2016. Just waiting for my contract with exact start date on. They wanted me to start on 06/10/15 but told them it was too soon.

    What is it like over there. I have been to Hong Kong before and really enjoyed my time there.

    I have been reading up on the city and looks quite interesting. Is it expensive? I am looking forward to learning Mandarin and seeing more of the country.

    What are the teaching hours like and which school are you teaching in?

    Kind regards,

    Derek
    Participant
    17 November, 2015 at 9:09
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    Hi Jack,
    I was very interested reading your post on the company Teachteflchina.org. I’ve got as far as returning my signed contract but was (like everybody else) a bit sceptical as to whether they were legit or not. How are you finding Shenzhen? I read that you’re staying a bit of a distance from the school, hows that working out?
    But more importantly how’s the job itself going? What are the good/bad points of teaching there? Are you glad you did it?
    Ok any feed back would be greatly appreciated.
    All the best.

    Derek

    Unassigned
    Participant
    17 November, 2015 at 9:10
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    I was also approached and I will be starting in February 2016. A little nervous!

    Nathan T
    Participant
    19 November, 2015 at 8:10
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    I was contacted by this company a couple of days ago. It’s seems like a great opportunity especially since I’ve only worked in sales and I’m 24 now!

    I’m just wondering how the selection process is. So this is mainly to people who have jumped at it, how was it?

    asg
    Participant
    11 December, 2015 at 19:06
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    Hi Jack,

    I’m so glad to hear this, as I’ve also been approached by this company.

    They seem professional but I haven’t signed anything yet. I’m a bit nervous.

    Would it be possible for you to tell me further details about your experience there so far?

    Thanks!

    asg
    Participant
    11 December, 2015 at 19:06
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    Hello everybody,

    I’ve been approached by this company as well.

    They look professional but I’m still hesitating. I haven’t signed anything yet.

    Is there anybody who’s been there to tell me about the experience?

    Also, It’d be great to meet people who are potentially going in February as well.

    I am 24 and, as Nathan, I don’t have a lot of experience, so I thought this would be a great experience for me.

    Thanks!

    JackW
    Participant
    12 December, 2015 at 17:13
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    Hey sorry for the long leave of absence.

    @jocfrazer – I hope you both went ahead with the interviews and are here now or coming soon. The accommodation I’m in is a fairly modern apartment complex, secure site with gardens. The apartment is shared with other CIPTC teachers. My school is brilliant, younger teachers and some older ones are friendly, the kids are smart and fun to teach. Discipline can be an issue. You need to be able to assert authority in the classroom without sounding too intimidating. If you’re likable you’ll find most of the kids will want to learn and show you they understand :) There are many teachers with CIPTC, I don’t think I can disclose details though. School hours are 8.00am – 5.00pm with a generous 2 hour lunch break. You have to stay in school and work on lesson plans, presentations etc when not teaching. Teaching classes is about 14-15 hours a week. Hopefully that’s helpful to some people. Most teachers I have spoken with were concerned about whether the opportunity was genuine or not. There are other things to consider before taking the leap including dietary changes, climate, language difficulties, away from friends and family etc. All the best

    @CC – That’s great news! See you out here in February. There’s a webchat group for CIPTC teachers which you’ll be acquainted with once your training begins probably, there aren’t too many Jacks so feel free to message me on it. It’s good standard of living for foreigners over here, you don’t have to spend a fortune to get by, you can eat for £5-10 a day or if you like to cook then less than £5. School meals and breakfasts are provided. The city is fantastic, takes time to get used to. Very busy. Mandarin classes are provided by the company. How long were you in Hong Kong for?

    @Derek – Hi I’ll try answer some of questions, please see some of the earlier posts also. The company provides guidelines as to what they expect and office work is time-consuming but otherwise I really enjoy teaching classes. Preparation time will eat into your evenings and weekends sometimes but it’s worth putting in the effort. The major bad points for me are distance from home, crappy wifi, pay in respect of what you can earn back in England and no hot tap water. You have to get used to the metro in the morning which is packed. People pushing, not queuing etc. It’s nothing to be offended by, just a different culture and way of life. We only get one day off for Christmas. That is probably the worst thing haha, make the most of yours this year!

    @asg, Nathan – I’m sure the CIPTC will answer any queries you might have in regards to the job. As for the experience you have plenty of freedom for choosing how you spend your spare time. Good luck with whatever you decide :)

    jenm
    Participant
    30 June, 2016 at 13:23
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    I’ve just been approached by this company too!! I’m obviously apprehensive as its like starting a whole new life.

    Nath T
    Participant
    13 September, 2016 at 13:41
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    Hi buddy,

    Did you end up going ?

    AmyLB
    Participant
    22 September, 2016 at 16:45
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    Hey everyone,

    I’ve just signed my contract with TeachTEFLinChina and should be starting about mid-October (originally meant to be February til July but was offered a place sooner!). I’m a little nervous about it all, as this will be the longest time and furthest away I’ll have ever been from family and friends – uni wasn’t too bad. Is it easy to meet other people who are in the same position once training is over and work begins? I’m not sure if I’ll be sharing a flat or not yet, and probably won’t find out until after I arrive :S

    JM
    Participant
    13 October, 2017 at 19:27
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    Hello,

    so did the people who accepted their offer go to Shenzhen already or did they have a change of heart?

    AB
    Participant
    2 January, 2018 at 16:42
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    Hello! Could you do me the favor to answer the following questions?

    Match the activity (1 – 10) to the reason for the activity:
    The teacher pronounces a word and then gets the class to repeat the word together.
    The teacher asks the students how they like to be corrected.
    The teacher writes new vocabulary on the side of the whiteboard and leaves it on the board for the whole lesson.
    The teacher encourages a discussion on web development to a group of e-commerce experts.
    The teacher asks students to find out 5 pieces of information from 3 other students in the class.
    The teacher sets up a series of role-plays for the students.
    The teachers asks the students to look at pictures of different extreme weather before listening to a recording of a weather forecast.
    The teacher plays a quick game of I-Spy at the beginning of the lesson.
    The teacher elicits sentences using the structures / vocabulary that has just been taught.
    The teacher introduces the students to a website featuring practice grammar tests.

    1. Modelling new vocabulary and drilling to ensure that the class can learn the correct pronunciation.
    2. Giving the students the opportunity to practise the language that has been taught or introduced.
    3. Checking that the class have understood the language points that have been taught.
    4. Setting the scene and allowing the students to think of vocabulary and structures that may be relevant.
    5. Highlighting one of the aims of the lesson and ensuring that students have the time to refer to it throughout the lesson.
    6. Giving the students guidance and tools to develop their learning on their own.
    7. A ‘warmer’ to get the class focussing on English.
    8. Personalising the lesson to the students interests and knowledge.
    9. Providing a reason for students to talk in English to each other.
    10. Finding out about the students learning preferences.

    HelaB
    Participant
    11 January, 2018 at 12:50
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    Hello,

    Don’t know if anyone is going to reply to this thread, but I’ve been recently contacted by Teachteflinchina as well and had the interview and was successful. They’ve offered me a position but I’m a bit apprehensive as I’ve heard a lot of horror stories about scams and want to find out more about the company. But there isn’t much about the company online at all, apart from those who have said they gone through with it from 2015.

    If any of you have gone through with it and ended up in China, can you let me know?

    Any information about this company would help me make my decision. I don’t want to pass up on the opportunity of it is a legitimate company.

    Thanks

    rishierish93
    Participant
    14 April, 2018 at 21:04
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    Hey – Saw your comment and made an account to reply. Are you already in China?

    I was offered a position last week to start in August, I did see their name on a blacklist but actually have seen many stories from people saying they’ve had a great time. Did you decide to go? What city were you offered a place in?

    Best,

    Rish

    rishierish93
    Participant
    14 April, 2018 at 21:05
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    Also – I got offered a salary of 8000 yuan but my friend is on 12,000. so i’m currently trying to negotiate!!

    AaronNelson
    Participant
    19 April, 2018 at 2:03
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    Hello there,
    I know I’m late to post to this thread, but I’d like to post a thought for you if you are considering employment at a language school as a teacher. I ran my own language consulting company in Mexico City for over 10 years – and was a freelance ESL teacher for 16 years.

    One thing I learned – a few times the hard way – is that you should never agree to work for a company/school on the basis of a single interview.

    Serious teaching institutions should interview you multiple times so they can start to get to know you, and you can get to know them! (It’s a two way thing! You’re evaluating them just as much as they should be evaluating you!)

    If they want to hire you on the spot….you should drop them and run the other way. Remember: great places to work will take their time to find the right people to work with them. They should NEVER RUSH, and neither should you!

    Hope this helps someone.


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    Felipe Santos
    Participant
    23 July, 2018 at 9:05
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    Hi all,

    I’ve been contacted by Teach TEFL in China and I am considering going through the recruitment process. At first I was a bit concerned about the reliability of the company but apparently they’re authentic.

    @ JackW: Hi Jack, the information you provided so far has been really useful for all of us, I believe – thank you. Is there a contact I can reach you on? I’d just like to ask some questions regarding work-life balance, earning (enough to get by? enough to live well and save?) and so on!

    @ rishierish93: Hi Rish, you should be moving to China in a few days! Have you made up your mind; are you really going? How was the process of getting where you are right now?

    @ HelaB: Hi Hela, have you made up your mind? How is it going? I am literally starting the process now and would like to know where you got and hopefully pick your brain (and experience) on this :)

    Thanks in advance,

    Felipe

    dan
    Moderator
    23 July, 2018 at 9:07
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    Hi Felipe

    I’m not sure what your question is – are you asking if they are legitimate?

    Dan

    Felipe Santos
    Participant
    24 July, 2018 at 19:13
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    Hi Dan,

    Yes, are they legitimate?

    I also wanted to know how was the experience of those who are currently in working in China or at the final stages of the recruitment process.

    dan
    Moderator
    25 July, 2018 at 14:06
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    Yes, are they legitimate?

    Felipe – Have a look at my post earlier in the thread for my answer to this.

    Dan

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