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  • Growler
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    18 Nov 2013 at 17:02
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    Not here mind you but on some of the larger boards and forums I have been seeing more and more posts by people that are surely not FTs. Since most of them praise schools or some recruiter, or even give links to phony review sites, I have to conclude they are desperate or aggressive agents prowling the forums looking for fresh meat. Just one more thing to look out for in China I suppose.


    phil
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    18 Nov 2013 at 19:31
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    Can you explain what you mean by FTs? Remember not everyone may be aware of certain acronyms…


    Feedback
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    8 Dec 2013 at 12:53
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    I’m guessing it stands for foreign teachers.


    camwill
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    2 Jan 2014 at 3:56
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    I am a member of several forums and have noticed that one certain way to know whether they are a qualified teacher or not is when they can not write their question without spelling mistakes! Or answers which evidently have incorrect grammar!


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    NELSON
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    15 Feb 2014 at 5:58
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    I spotted 5 of them at Dave’s and they are always protecting or promoting some recruiter or trying to sell some TEFL course, visa service, or school. They should just buy ads!


    Growler
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    2 May 2014 at 5:38
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    I am a member of several forums and have noticed that one certain way to know whether they are a qualified teacher or not is when they can not write their question without spelling mistakes! Or answers which evidently have incorrect grammar!

    Other ways to spot them is by the high number of post counts they have because real teachers would not have time to be posting 20 posts a day. Also if you start getting unsolicited PMs (personal messages) from “helpful veteran teachers” offering free advice or recommending a certain school or agent (one of their colleagues). Lastly if you complain about low wages in China online, you will see the agents, posing as “fellow teachers” rush in with rebuttals saying “how cheap it is to live in China” or that these low wages are “normal” and double what Chinese teachers make.

    I say ignore them all and do your own homework and if you really need to use an agent, you might as well buy a T-Shirt that says in 6 inch letters “I am either dumb, lazy, or both.”


    Moonbeam
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    17 May 2014 at 2:25
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    I am getting used to all the deception at those forums you guys mentioned. Even the admin at thebeijinger.com admitted in a post that he spend hours every week trying to play detective in deleting the agents masquerading as teachers. TIC – get used to it. Why use a recruiter anyway? Ridiculous!


    Moonbeam
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    12 Aug 2014 at 13:47
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    I just found this gem at another esl forum that speaks volumes on why most of the really big expat forums can no longer be trusted to be objective. Read the second post of this thread…

    http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6523


    odo
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    30 Oct 2014 at 22:23
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    On forums like Dave’s I sometimes wonder whether fakers are the majority… every actually useful thread I have seen there is always deleted a few days later.


    hs0zfe
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    3 Nov 2014 at 4:49
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    Well, there are also semi-genuine ads by language schools in Vietnam.

    #1 is advertising again, misstating the city they are in and the hours they can offer. A bad combination and I pity the next teacher who falls for their false job ad.

    #2 had the owner pose as "the manager". Then he held an interview via Skype, faking a non-functional microphone. (I fell for the promised $ 1,000 salary and used the very same notebook to call family on Skype).

    * a tiny house on a dirt road.
    * a few kids show up for a class. (Doubt he was grossing more than the 30,000 D per student he confessed)
    * then he showed me a contract requiring me to pay a million so that he can fine me if I’m late or something.

    The guy couldn’t even speak English – but then engaged in backseat driving, choosing horrible lesson plans while ignoring students’ ability. (Silly vocab lesson with advanced students who knew all the words and who wanted to speak instead).

    Why are these owners lying? Do they think this would work in the long-term?

    I confronted #2 and he said "money is no problem, you are family".

    For all who want to get hired via Skype, do your homework and ascertain whether this business can actually offer the hours they promise you!

    Ask about the charge for the room & board!

    Ask to speak with a teacher and look for discrepancies regarding hours promised vs hours which are available; or the cost of the accommodation.


    Hello!
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    9 Nov 2014 at 1:54
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    On forums like Dave’s I sometimes wonder whether fakers are the majority… every actually useful thread I have seen there is always deleted a few days later.

    Ding! Ding! Ding! – We have a winner! Just go to Dave’s and read he posts of

    Buckeye Bob

    RWA1981

    Hmmmmm

    Mellow Fellow

    Wo Dong

    and as soon as they mention anything about recruiter scams, or scams that buy paid advertising on eslcafe.com – they get banned! The same five guys dominate the China thread and 4 of the 5 sent me PMs trying to recruit me for teaching jobs!!!!! Anyone who talks truthfully about the China’s ESL scam world never makes it past 100 posts.

    It is even worse at Echinacities whose owner owns three recruitment agencies that tell new teachers abroad how to come to China and work illegally. See this here for a wake up call…

    http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=620902

    An even bigger dose of reality is waiting for you at http://ChinaScamPatrol.wordpress.com


    storm
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    17 Jan 2015 at 17:20
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    "Growler" and others will rant against agents, you won’t see a single good word about them on the internet…..there is a fair bit of the "Microsoft" syndrome going on here–hate them for the sake of it, ’cause they are No1. Its like every time I log in from China G-mail accuses me of suspicious activity and I have to go through ‘recovery’.
    I am very happy with my agent and would thoroughly recommend them. In fact some of the stories my agent told me about problems with teachers might give you pause for thought. One of the poor girls at my agency has had trouble sleeping recently because one little sod of a boy from England, the agency ended up losing money on him. leaving her feeling very guilty. She is a sweet, somewhat naïve, 23 year old Chinese girl with only good intentions.


    storm
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    19 Jan 2015 at 11:35
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    hs0zfe’s post is an example of why you might use an agent, they would have checked the school out—I have never been to Vietnam so I hazard a guess it is a different kettle of fish from China, a bit more wild West.
    As a newbie it was helpful to have an agent, I learned a lot about the process and the agent did all the hard negotiation for me. With the school I finally settled on, my contract went back and forwards between the agent and the company that I now work for, going over everything in detail. Also when I was in Beijing(and when I go) my agent
    puts me up in their office/apartment for free, no Beijing hotel prices to pay. If there is a problem with the school or anything else, they will sort it and they will fly down from Beijing if necessary.


    Growler
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    19 Jan 2015 at 16:17
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    Hey Storm… I am not attacking all recruiters in my OP – only the ones who pretend to be fellow teachers and deny their recruiter role on forms where they secretly send PM solicitations after they spend a few says winning your confidence with a dialogue on a forum topic where they will always agree with you.

    There are good and bad recruiters in China like everywhere else. But in China the ratio might be 1 honest agent for every 12 dishonest ones. I suggest you check out http://chinascamwatch.org and the understand the angst most of us have for job recruiters in China. You were lucky to get a good one!


    storm
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    21 Jan 2015 at 17:33
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    Well Growler, I am not experienced of course, being on my first contract(and agency) in China. Perhaps you are right and for once in my life, I got lucky–in getting a good agent. One in 12 is not good odds, more of a long-shot bet if you have some spare cash.
    Did I mention that my agent sent me some cheese for Christmas—the stuff in the supermarkets where I am is rubbish—bought off Taobao, came in a polystyrene box with cold-paks, so arrived in good condition.

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